Interviewed By Dibussi Tande (Part II)
Question: A cursory look at ongoing international attempts at stemming state corruption gives the impression that there is too much focus on the recovery and repatriation of embezzled funds, and very little on establishing national mechanisms for tackling embezzlement before it happens. Shouldn’t national preventive mechanisms take precedence over international recovery efforts?
Click here to print or download complete interview in PDF format
Answer: On the contrary. Take a look at the 1996 Inter-American Convention Against Corruption, the 2002 African Union Convention for Preventing and Combating Corruption and the 2004 U.N. Convention Against Corruption; they all contain elaborate provisions for tackling official corruption both at the front-end (prevention and punishment) and at the back-end (assets recovery). Many municipal penal statutes also proscribe the offense of illicit enrichment and some, like the Brazilian statute, go as far back as the 1950’s.
Prevention and punishment do not have to take priority over recovery and repatriation because they go hand-in-hand. With few qualified exceptions (Singapore, Hong Kong, Mauritius, Botswana, post-Abacha Nigeria) national preventive legislation has not succeeded in stemming the tide of capital flight, especially capital of illicit origin. Therefore, recovery efforts must be engaged to recapture this wealth.
Back to Cameroon’s anti-corruption campaign; what in your opinion will constitute a clear indication, if not irrefutable evidence, that this umpteenth anti-corruption drive is for real, and that the Biya regime is finally willing to bring down Cameroon’s culture of corruption?
Government needs to take a number of concrete steps to convince a public that has become jaded with so many unfulfilled promises that this it means business. First, there should be more arrests of current and former government ministers who have engaged in the systematic pillaging of national wealth going as far back as the mid-1980’s when Mr. Biya announced his policy of rigor and moralization. This should be followed by criminal prosecutions followed by punishment where guilt is established.
Second, Government must ratify without further delay the AU and UN anti-corruption instruments and invoke their mutual legal assistance and technical cooperation provisions to secure international assistance to recapture embezzled funds that have been transferred to foreign banks. Here Government should take note that recovery efforts are elusive and time consuming. It has taken 15 years, with the judicial cooperation of several foreign governments, for successive Philippine governments to recover $600 million from the estate of Ferdinand Marcos, and this amount is merely interest earned on the $5 billion which lies in escrow in the Philippines National Bank. An estimated $30 billion in a Swiss bank is still collecting interest beyond the reach of the Philippines authorities. The same is true for the Obasanjo government, whose efforts to recover the estimated $3 billion allegedly stolen by Gen. Sani Abacha succeeded only in bringing in $700 million. And the matter is far from being over as Abacha’s family has appealed the August 2004 Swiss decision and has blocked the release of any funds pending the outcome of their appeal.
Finally, Government must confront the most difficult of all its problems, that is, the root causes of corruption in our country. Here the President needs to articulate a national strategy to prevent and combat this pestilence. Lessons learned from similar efforts in other corruption-prone countries suggest that this war is a sustained and protracted affair and likely to span successive governments. Winning it requires time, patience and determination; a domain our Government has shown little mastery of.
A common thread in your writings is that corruption by high-ranking government officials is a violation of the fundamental human rights of citizens in developing countries. What is your response to those who argue that this is pushing the concept of human rights too far because corruption is essentially a non-violent crime?
One could say the same for the right to freedom of thought which is also a non-violent crime. In the event, I do not accept the characterization of grand corruption as a non-violent crime because the violence it wrecks on the economies of victim states as well as their populations is undeniable. When you live in a country where your Government spends less than 2 percent, or a miserly $106 per capita, of the national budget for health service; where 30% of the population is unemployed, 4 of every 10 children under age 5 suffer from malnutrition; where for every 1,000 babies born 101 die at birth, few ever get to visit a doctor since your country can only boast 125 physicians, only 44 percent of the population has access to potable water; and your President criss-crosses the globe in a $30 million state-of-the-art airplane and maintains $700 million in several foreign bank accounts for that rainy day while his unemployed wife has access to a bank credit card with a $10,000 daily spending limit and their adult sons own multimillion mansions in the Cote d’Azur, it would be hard to convince this person that official corruption is a non-violent crime!
Most Cameroonians know you for your groundbreaking analyses of the Cameroon political system, and are totally unfamiliar with the frontline role you’ve played in the movement to establish international legislation to deal with state corruption. Can you briefly tell us about your work in this area?
We have devoted the last 16 years in trying to make the case a) that the conventional definition of corruption contained in a number of multilateral anti-corruption instruments fails to capture the acts of fraudulent enrichment engaged in by high-ranking constitutionally responsible officials nor does it convey in graphic terms the devastating effects of this conduct on the victim states and their populations, b) that the right to a corruption-free society is a fundamental human right, and c) therefore a breach of this right is should be treated as a crime under the law of nations that entails individual responsibility and punishment and subject to universal jurisdiction. International and national policy-makers are beginning to pay attention and this has kept me quite busy!
Finally, what do you think the future holds for Cameroon, given the country’s current socio-political situation and the “balance of power” between the Biya regime and the divided and weakened opposition? Any reason to be optimistic?
Optimism is fast becoming a rare commodity in our political marketplace. What President Biya is trying to do now is exactly what many Cameroonians had hoped a successor SDF-led government would do when it accedes to power. Unfortunately, the SDF is itself now mired in its own manure of corruption to make it an unlikely champion of moral probity, incorruptibility, accountability and transparency, now or in the immediate future. So, if the present exercise is simply a ploy to get the IMF, the World Bank and other external partners off the Government’s back then we are in for some very rough days ahead!
Ndiva Kofele-Kale: Sample Publications on Corruption
Ndiva Kofele-Kale, "Patrimonicide: The International Economic Crime of Spoliation," in Vanderlbilt Journal of Transnational Law, 28(1), 1995:45-118.
Ndiva Kofele-Kale, "The Right to a Corruption-Free Society as an Individual and Collective Human Right: Elevating Official Corruption to a Crime under International Law," International Lawyer, 149 (2000).
Ndiva Kofele-Kale, “The Outing of Grand Corruption: A Decade of International Law- making to Combat a Threat to Economic and Social Progress,” The Quad, 56-60 (2004).
Ndiva Kofele-Kale, “The right to a corruption-free society as an individual and collective human right: Elevating official corruption to a crime under international law,” in Attanasio, J.B. & J.J.Norton. (Eds). A new international financial architecture: A viable approach. British Institute of International and Comparative Law, 2001.
Ndiva Kofele-Kale, ‘Good Governance as Political Conditionality: An African Perspective,” in Julia Faundez, Mary Footer and Joseph Norton (eds.) Governance, Development and Globalization. Blackstone Press London 2000.
Economic plunder is a crime worse than mere murder because of the cascading effects. It traps populations in poverty, ignorance and disease. It shortens lifespans; it causes social chaos and dislocation and war. What is the role of the West (or North) in this. They condemn corruption, but look away and smile when these crooks purchase properties on Cote D'Azur or Palm Beach and stash the money into their banks.
Plunder is a capital offence in the Phillipines. That is a result of their suffering under Ferdinand Marcos.
Posted by: Ngum | March 09, 2006 at 01:48 AM
When Professor Kale in his contribution to The Post Newspaper suggested what he called a debt-franc swap, many were those who raised their voices to condemn it outright. They rather thought those who have embezzled state funds be punished outright. I would like to note here that Professor Kale, a man of repute and a fine connoisseur of issues like this has recognised their worries. Yet on my part I see alot of foresight in this debt-franc swap proposal. It has become increasingly recognised today that sometimes one virtually has to coax criminals into submission.
Interestingly enough, at the moment of this interview, word has it that the government is tabling a proposal to parliament with the view of building an operational text for the famous ARTICLE 66.
May I crave the indulgence of the legal luminary-Professor Kale to make for us an "AVANT PROJET", for a working mechanism of article 66 based on models like that of Ghana and several others he has studied.
Posted by: Nkosi Jacob | March 09, 2006 at 03:13 AM
Kudos for this great both by the interviewer and the intervieweee! This is the difference betweeen a journalist who studies his or her subject before an interview session, and the one who just shows up with a microphone with the hopes that "the questions will come as we speak" (the common practice in Cameroon) ...
I hope every Cameroonian journalist reads this to understand the meaning of an "interview".
Posted by: Ekale | March 09, 2006 at 11:16 AM
Prof.,
You are a True son of Cameroon. I hope people who hold political power and decision makers of Cameroon should listen to your suggestions.
YOU ARE A TRUE PATRIOT AND CAADIM applauds you.
May God Bless You.
Riccardo
President and Co-Founder CAADIM
Posted by: Riccardo | March 18, 2006 at 07:56 AM